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Dialogues d'artistes, Emma Binois et Sydney Larcher - In Conversation with artists

Updated: Mar 15

un photo-reportage réalisé par Emma Binois
a photo-essay by Emma Binois

Lors de son voyage au Canada, la jeune photographe Emma Binois a réalisé un photo-reportage sur l'artiste céramiste Sydney Larcher établie à Vancouver dans son studio Pot Spot Studio.
During her stay in Canada, the young photographer Emma Binois directed a photo-essay about Vancouver based ceramist Sydney Larcher in her studio (Pot Spot Studio).


Je m'appelle Syd. Je viens de Vancouver et je suis une artiste céramiste. J'ai 30 ans et je fais de la céramique depuis environ onze ans maintenant, par intermittence. Mon travail se concentre sur l'asymétrie et l'imperfection ; je veux mettre en évidence le procédé de création dans mon travail. Mon style évolue constamment, mais je tends vers un travail minimaliste, fonctionnel et un peu rustique. Je veux qu'il ait l'air artisanal et non industriel. J'enseigne également la céramique, je vends mes œuvres et je fais beaucoup de production. Je passe beaucoup de temps dans mon atelier.


Pourquoi as-tu choisi d'étudier l'art ?

C’était une évidence, j'ai fait de l'art toute ma vie. Depuis que je suis petite, je dessine beaucoup, je peins... Lorsque je suis entrée à l'école, je pensais vraiment devenir peintre ou dessinatrice, je ne m'attendais pas à devenir céramiste, je ne me voyais pas travailler avec
mes mains. Quand j'ai commencé à prendre des cours de céramique et de sculpture - parce qu'on devait les prendre à l'école -, je suis tombée amoureuse, instantanément. C'est tellement satisfaisant ! C'est une sensation extraordinaire. J'aime toujours autant le travail en
2D : le dessin, la peinture et la gravure. Mais j'ai cet amour vraiment profond pour l'expression avec mes mains.

Comment ta famille a-t-elle réagi à ton cheminement artistique ?

Mes parents me soutiennent énormément. Ils n'ont pas suivi leurs rêves ou leurs passions, donc ils sont heureux de me voir faire ce que j’aime. C'est la même chose avec mes grands-parents, tout le monde dans ma famille me soutient énormément. Mes parents sont également très doués pour le dessin. Ma mère fait d’incroyables portraits. Quand j'étais au lycée, il m'arrivait de faire un projet en cours d'art. J'essayais de faire un portrait, et je demandais alors à ma mère : "Tu peux m'aider, ça a l'air bizarre". Et mon père, il faisait beaucoup de dessins animés, de gribouillages et autres.

Ils n'ont pas eu l’occasion de poursuivre une voie créative ?

Non, ma mère a eu un enfant très jeune, à 18 ans, puis trois autres. Elle s'est concentrée sur sa famille. Et puis mon père, ce n'était pas sa passion. Nous avons beaucoup d'artistes et de personnes créatives dans ma famille. Mon frère est très bon en dessin, ma sœur est une très bonne chanteuse, mes grands-parents sont musiciens. Peu importe ce que j'aurais choisi de faire, mes parents m'auraient soutenu, je suis très chanceuse à cet égard.

Que souhaites-tu véhiculer à travers tes céramiques ?

Mon travail est surtout fonctionnel, les couleurs que j’utilise sont neutres avec des touches de couleurs pastel. J'aime le rose, le bleu layette, la sarcelle, le jaune beurre, la lavande, ces couleurs pastel que l'on peut trouver dans la nature, quelques touches de couleurs plus sombres ici et là ... Mais j'ai surtout tendance à graviter vers des couleurs claires. L'argile que j'utilise, pour la plupart, est un corps d'argile moucheté. Elle est donc d'une couleur grise plus claire et comporte beaucoup de mouchetures, j'aime ce contraste. J'ai également essayé de faire contraster mon travail avec des parties de la pièce non émaillées et le corps en argile brute. J'aime la différence de texture lorsque vous tenez la pièce. Par exemple, le mug que tu as dans les mains a des parties très lisses et d'autres non émaillées, ce qui te permet de sentir la texture brute de l'argile. J'aime mettre l'accent sur les formes et les motifs organiques. Je fais beaucoup de petits mugs, très fins et délicats, puis je les presse délicatement pour y inscrire les empreintes de mes doigts.

C'est incroyable, j’aime tellement ton approche.
Merci, j'aime mettre en évidence la façon dont c’est façonné. Évidemment, ils sont tous différents, ils ne sortent pas d'une machine. J'aime créer quelque chose de très minimaliste et un peu rustique. À une époque plus simple, lorsque les choses étaient fonctionnelles et que les pièces étaient vraiment utilitaires, les glaçures n'étaient pas toujours extravagantes. J'ai cette passion pour la peinture et l'illustration qui fait que je m'efforce de combiner ces éléments et de montrer davantage les couleurs que j'aime, qui sont aussi celles que je porte tout le temps. Les pastels et les tons neutres.


Sur quoi travailles-tu en ce moment ?

La plupart de mon travail est de la production : j'ai une liste d'objets que je fabrique et que j'ai créés, et j'ai différents magasins qui veulent vendre mon travail. J'ai aussi quelques commandes pour des marques qui veulent vendre mon travail. En ce moment, je travaille sur quelques commandes que j'ai presque terminées, dont certaines très importantes pour quelques magasins de Vancouver.

Si je comprends bien, les marques te donnent un brief et tu designes les pièces ?

J'ai une liste de vente en gros, qui comprend ces mugs. Un magasin ou une entreprise me passe une commande, et je commence à travailler dessus une fois que j'ai terminé les commandes précédentes. Je dois les terminer dans les trois prochaines semaines, ce qui est assez intense. La vie d'artiste, c'est de tout faire à la dernière minute. A part ça, j'essaie aussi de travailler sur mon site web, ce qui est compliqué parce que je suis nulle en technologie. J'ai tendance à faire les mêmes pièces encore et encore, ça peut devenir ennuyeux. Quand j'enseigne à mes étudiants, je leur montre des techniques spécifiques et c'est là que je peux être plus créative. C'est un peu ce qui m’anime en ce moment - faire de nouvelles choses ...Aussi, je viens de terminer une nouvelle collection en revenant d'Oaxaca, cet endroit m’a beaucoup inspiré.

Tu as donc passé un mois au Mexique à la recherche d'inspiration pour tes créations ?

J'y suis allée pour moi, j'avais besoin d'une pause. Je voulais en même temps faire un peu de recherche sur la céramique d'Oaxaca. Ils ont une culture céramique étonnante, très originale, chaque village a son propre style et tout le monde fait un peu la même chose. Si tu as l'occasion, tu devrais y aller ! Il y a tellement d'art à Oaxaca. Le mezcal est très important pour eux, ils ont toutes ces petites tasses dans lesquelles on le boit, la plupart du temps, elles sont en céramique, avec toutes sortes de formes et de couleurs différentes, comme si elles n'étaient pas toutes assorties et parfaites. J'ai adoré l'aspect organique de leurs objets fonctionnels. J'ai commencé à faire des petites tasses et j'ai aussi fait une collection de très grands vases. Il y avait ce jeu entre les petites et les grandes formes. Mon prochain projet sera de fabriquer de nouveaux vernis - j'utilise les mêmes depuis un certain temps déjà. La couleur crème que tu vois sur toutes mes pièces - c’est ma préférée -, puis j'ai aussi ce rose doux, le vert sauge, un transparent ... J'ai en tête une palette de couleurs très fortes que je veux utiliser, et j'ai hâte de commencer à les fabriquer.

Peux-tu creuser davantage ton approche personnelle, je la trouve si intéressante.

Ce que j'aimerais que les gens retiennent de mon travail, c'est une appréciation des choses faites à la main. Nous sommes arrivés à un point dans notre société où nous avons beaucoup de choses industrielles dans nos maisons ou dans notre vie. J'aimerais que les gens - en ce qui concerne mon travail en tout cas - apprécient simplement la lenteur de la fabrication, les petites quantités. Prendre plus de temps pour être lent, apprécier les objets et essayer de trouver une connexion avec l'objet que l'on utilise.



Quelle est ta production personnelle préférée de tous les temps ?

C'est difficile de choisir. Mes œuvres préférées datent probablement de l'époque où j'étais à l'école d'art, j'avais une grande liberté de création, je pouvais explorer de nombreuses idées, ce que je ne fais plus tellement. J'aime l'art conceptuel, surtout dans l'art qui est censé être artisanal.
C'est une tout autre discussion, mais quand vous regardez le travail textile et la céramique, ils sont considérés par beaucoup de gens comme un artisanat ou une forme d'art “inférieure", souvent parce qu'ils ont traditionnellement été faits par des femmes.
Il y a un projet qui me vient à l'esprit, au moment où j'explorais beaucoup d'idées et de concepts féministes. J'ai fait cette théière farfelue, une petite cuillère à thé, un plateau, c'était un peu britannique. Je voulais que ça ressemble à de la porcelaine fine et très délicate. Je les ai sérigraphiées avec des petites vulves.

Souhaites-tu nous citer quelques artistes que tu admires ?

Je suis inspiré par beaucoup de peintres : Basquiat, Klimt, Egon Schiele, toutes ces sortes d'illustrations, ces œuvres mouvantes. J'aime qu'on puisse voir que ce n'est pas parfaitement raffiné, comme les peintures de la Renaissance. J'aime aussi ces peintures plus modernes qui remettent également en question ce qui était populaire à l'époque. En ce qui concerne la céramique, nous avons une communauté de céramistes tellement extraordinaire à Vancouver que les gens ont tendance à s'entraider. Personne n’essaie d'évincer l'autre. J'ai rencontré beaucoup de personnes qui viennent d'entrer dans le monde de la céramique et je souhaite les aider autant que possible. Parce que les gens m'ont aussi aidé. Maggie Boyd, nos travaux sont complètement différents. Elle fait beaucoup de décoration de surface. Marina Lespérance Lopez : elle vit à Montréal et je suis obsédée par ses céramiques. Je n'ai toujours pas pu acheter une de ses pièces parce qu'elles partent si vite quand elle les met en ligne. Elle utilise beaucoup de pastels - des roses et toutes ces sortes de bleu layette, de jaunes et de violets - et elle ajoute parfois des pierres précieuses sur ses pièces. Son travail me semble très baroque. Elle fait beaucoup de nerikomi très complexes.

C’est si beau et raffiné, je n'ai jamais vu ça auparavant !

C’est super original ! Dans le nerikomi, vous étalez une plaque d'argile, puis vous ajoutez différentes couleurs et formes d'argile à la plaque. Puis vous l'étalez à nouveau pour qu'elle ne forme qu'une seule pièce. Quand vous regardez le dessin final, on pourrait croire qu'il est peint, mais c'est en fait de l'argile pressée. Et puis elle crée ces tasses à partir des dalles de nerikomi. C'est éblouissant ! Je suis également très inspirée par mon professeur de céramique de l'école d'art de Langara, Alwyn O'Brien. Elle fait ces folles sculptures en céramique, aussi grandes que toi et moi. Elle roule de minuscules bobines d'argile, elles évoquent un dessin au trait désordonné. Puis elle les recouvre d’un vernis magnifique. Et c'est extrêmement difficile à faire : transformer de minces morceaux d'argile en une énorme pièce sans qu'ils ne se fissurent ou ne se cassent, c’est très impressionnant ! Ça m'a inspiré à aller plus loin et voir jusqu'où on peut pousser l'argile.

Quel regard portes-tu sur ton évolution dans la vie ?

Je suis loin d'être cette adolescente peu sûre d'elle, qui ne sait pas qui elle est, ni ce qu'elle veut dans la vie. J'ai suivi une thérapie et j'ai appris à fixer des limites et à dire non aux gens. Cette révélation a complètement changé ma vie. Tout ce que je fais maintenant est très intentionnel, je le décide.
J'ai beaucoup voyagé, j'ai eu pleins de jobs différents, toutes ces choses m'ont conduit à de nouvelles choses. Et maintenant je vis de la céramique et je ne pourrais pas être plus reconnaissante.


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My name is Syd. I'm from Vancouver. I'm a ceramic artist. I'm 30. I've been doing ceramics for about 11 years now, on and off. I took a break in between, but I started learning really how to do ceramics when I was in art school in 2010. My work focuses on asymmetry and imperfection; I really want to highlight the process in my work. My style is evolving constantly, but I'm tending towards minimalist, functional work, and kind of rustic. I want it to look artisanal and not industrial. I'm teaching ceramics as well, selling my work and doing a lot of production. I spend a lot of time in the studio.

Why did you choose to study art ?

It just seemed like the right thing to do, I guess it was just the path that I was on, because I've been making art my whole life. Since I was a kid, I did a lot of drawing, a lot of painting ... It just seemed that's what I was good at my whole life. And so I figured I might as well do that. When I first went to art school, I really thought that my path was going to be painting and drawing, I did not expect that I was going to be a ceramic artist. And actually, the idea of working with my hands, I thought, "no, that's not for me". When I started taking ceramics and sculpture - because we had to take them in school-, I just fell in love with it instantly. I was like, "oh my god, this is so satisfying". It feels amazing. I still have this background of loving 2D work : loving drawing and painting and printmaking. But I have this really, really deep love for being able to express myself with my hands. It's super satisfying. Art school for me was an easy path, an easy choice.


How did your family react to your growing artistic path ?

My family is very supportive. I'm lucky for that. Because I know it's kind of a stereotype in the past, or maybe not in the past, but like in certain cultures, and for certain families, they might not look at, you know, being an artist is like a lucrative job, or something that's like, you know, you're gonna be very successful if you're an artist. But my parents are super supportive. They never really followed their dreams or their passion. So they are happy to see me doing that. And same with my grandparents, everyone in my family is extremely supportive. My parents are very good at drawing as well. My mom is amazing at drawing portraits. When I was in high school, sometimes I would be doing a project in art class. I'm trying to do a portrait, and then I'd go and ask my mom "can you help me, it looks kind of weird?" She was always really good at portraits. And my dad, he did a lot of cartoons and doodles and stuff. So they're both pretty creative, but they never pursued art further.

They didn't get the chance, or like they weren't allowed to pursue a creative path because of their parents ?

They didn't really get the chance. My mom had kids at a very young age, she had her first child at 18. And she had four kids. So her focus was on having a family. And then my dad, it just wasn't his passion. We have a lot of artists and creative people in my family. My brother is really good at drawing. My sister is a really good singer. My grandparents are musicians. And no matter what I would have chosen to do, my parents would have been supportive. So I'm really lucky with that.

In an alternative reality, what would you do if you were not a ceramist ?

I have a lot of interests. I really love cooking. When I was younger, I used to dance, and I really thought for a long time, I was going to be a dancer and a dance teacher. It's really embarrassing, I used to do belly dance. I was part of this dance group. And we did competitions and shows. It was fun. Maybe I would have gone into illustration, or music.

Could you dig deeper in the description of your ceramics ? What do you want to convey ?

My work is mostly functional. And the colors that I tend to go towards are more neutral. And then with pops of color, kind of pastel colors. I really love pink, you know, baby blue, teal, butter yellow, lavender, these pastel colors that you might find in nature with maybe some hints of darker color here and there. But mostly I tend to gravitate towards lighter colors. And the clay that I use, for the most part, is a speckled clay body. So it's just like a lighter gray color and then has a lot of speckles in it because I love this contrast. I tried to contrast my work as well with having parts of the piece unglazed with the raw clay body. I like the textural difference when you're holding it. For instance, the mug that you're holding right now has some really smooth parts and then parts of it are unglazed so you can feel the raw texture of the clay. I think it's really interesting when you're holding a piece that you get this experience of feeling the different textures. I like to focus on these more organic shapes and organic designs.I like to highlight the way that the clay naturally falls into your hand. I make a lot of little tumblers like these wine tumblers and they're very thin and delicate, then I just gently squish them so that it fits nicely in your hand.


It's amazing.

Thank you, I like to play around with highlighting how it's made. You can see this is a finger dent here. So obviously, they're all a little bit different. It didn't come out of a machine. It wasn't industrially made. I didn't slip cast this. I like to create something that's very minimalist and kind of rustic. Back in simpler times, when things were functional and pieces were made really utilitarian, the glazes weren't always extravagant. But then also, I have this love for painting and illustration. So I am working towards combining these things together and showing more of the colors that I love, which also happen to be the colors that I wear all the time. Pastels and neutral tones.

What are you working on right now ?

Most of my current work is production : I have a set list of things that I make that I created, and I have different stores that want to stock my work and then sell them there. I do have a few commissions for brands that want to sell my work through them as well. So right now I'm working on a few orders that I'm almost finished with a few really big ones for a couple stores in Vancouver.

So they give you a form and you just make it real, or you just have to like think about the forms ... ?

I have a wholesale list, which includes those tumblers. A store or a company will place an order with me, and I’ll start working on it once I’ve finished up previous orders. And I have two that I am just finishing up this weekend. And then I have two really big ones that I'm working on for the next. I have to get them done in like the next three weeks, which is kind of intense. But you know, artists life always doing everything at the last minute. And aside from that, I'm also trying to work on my website, which is complicated for me because I suck at technology.
With my wholesale, I tend to make the same pieces over and over again, and it can get a little mundane. When I’m teaching my students, I show them demonstrations on how to do a specific technique, and that’s where I can be more creative.This is kind of like what's giving me life right now-when I'm making new things.. Also, I just finished up a new collection when I came back from Oaxaca, I was very inspired when I was there. Right before I went to Oaxaca I was super burnt out from Christmas, so tired, and I needed inspiration. So I went to Mexico, I did a little research while I was there and I just found it.

So you spent one month in Mexico to search for inspiration for your ceramics ?

I went there for me, I needed a break. I wanted to do a little bit of research into the ceramics of Oaxaca at the same time. They have an amazing ceramic culture over there. It's wild, every little town has their own style. And everyone kind of does the same thing. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to check out everywhere, but I went to a few different towns and I explored. If you ever get the chance you should definitely go. There's so much art in Oaxaca. It's amazing. Mezcal is really big in Oaxaca, they have all these little Mezcal cups that you drink out of. And most of the time they're ceramic, all kinds of different shapes, different colors, like they're not all matching and perfect. I just loved that organic feeling of the way that they make their functional pieces there and they're so beautiful. I wanted to make a whole bunch of little cups, little whiskey cups that are all different that feel different in your hand. I started making the small cups and also made a collection of very big vases. There was this play between the small and large shapes, and I had created a new collection. My next project will be to make some new glazes. I've been using the same glazes for a while now. The cream that you see on all of my pieces - I love that one. It's super beautiful. But I also have this sweet pink, I have the sage green, I have a clear. And I have a couple other ones, but I don't use them very often. I have in my mind a very strong color palette that I want to use, and I’m excited to start making them.

Have you ever had a very creative commission that you loved working on ?

Honestly I don't take commissions from most people. It sounds cheesy but it has to speak to me. I want all of my work that comes out of me to be from me. I'm doing production, but they're all from me. I do sometimes collaborate with a brand on a piece if they have a specific design in mind, and we will work on it together if it’s something I am interested in. We will come up with the design together. In regards to custom work- I feel like if my heart's not in it, then I don't want to make something that I wouldn't want to represent me. You know what I mean?

What is the purpose of art for you ?

Such a good question. I'm making art and it just comes out of me. I have a lot of other ways to express myself artistically, but with ceramics, it's such a physical thing. It's really interesting when I look back on things that I've made in the past, and then I can relate it to what I was going through, it's like that with all of my work. But at the moment I’m making it, I don't usually realize the “reason” of why I’m making it unless I really think deeply about it. And I made it with a specific purpose. But I think a lot of people when they make art they're not thinking about it that much. You're just doing it and feeling it. And then you can look back later on and be like, Oh, my god, I was going through this thing. And it's clearly coming out in my work, which is amazing. It just feels right, it feels good, and I can't help myself and no matter what I'm always finding ways to create, whether I'm traveling or not, I'm always finding little ways to create. Whether it's writing or drawing. Then I think with my work, what I really would like people to get from it is an appreciation for things that are handmade because we've gotten to a point in our society where we have a lot of fast-made industrial things in our home or things in our life and there's kind of like these quick moving through objects. I would like for people to -with my work anyway- just appreciate the slow making of it, the small quantities- that they are limited, the piece that you're buying, no one else is going to have the same exact one. Taking more time to be slow, enjoying the objects and trying to find a connection to the object that you're that you're using.

What is your favorite personal production of all time?

It's hard to choose one. Probably my favorite ones are from when I was in art school, because I had so much creative freedom, I could do whatever and explore a lot of conceptual ideas, which I don't do so much anymore. I love conceptual art, especially in art that's supposed to be craft. This is a whole different discussion, but when you look at textile work and ceramics, they are considered by a lot of people more a craft or a “lower art form” often because they have traditionally been made by women. There's one project just off the top of my head, and I was exploring a lot of feminist ideas and concepts through ceramics. I made this wacky teapot, a little tea saucer spoon, a platter, it was kind of British. I wanted it to look like fine china porcelain, very thin and delicate. But then I silkscreened them with all these little vulvas all over everything. I wanted to connect this idea of the crafts together and tying it all together with the fine art idea with the porcelain and like the thin delicate work with something that was not going to be functional at all. I also used another medium that was connected to this idea of craft being a “lower” art form. I used fuzzy wool, and I knit through the clay and the lid was just made out of wool. It was just a fuzzy little lid and everything was pink. And then I set it on a plinth with a big fuzzy shaggy white rug.



Do you have any artists that really inspire you that you look up to?

Yeah. I do. I'm really inspired by a lot of painters. Like Basquiat. I really like his work. I really like Klimt. I Love Egon Schiele, all of these kinds of illustrative, fast-moving works. I like that you can see movement and you can see that it's not perfectly refined, like Renaissance paintings. I really like those more modern paintings that also challenged what was popular at the time. But then, you know, in terms of ceramics, we have such an amazing community of ceramic artists in Vancouver, people tend to help each other out. It's not so much like a super competitive where everyone's trying to push someone else out. I've met a lot of people who are just coming into the ceramic world and I want to help them out as much as I can. Because people have helped me out as well. So I'm really inspired by ceramic artists in Vancouver. There's too many to name. Just off the top of my head, Maggie Boyd, is really inspiring. Our work is completely different, but I love what she does. She does a lot of surface decoration. She used to have a studio close to here actually, maybe not in this space, but I think maybe the one next door. Another ceramic artist that I really love, her name is Marina Lespérance Lopez. She's from Montreal. She makes these really beautiful ceramics that I'm obsessed with. I still haven't been able to buy one of her pieces because they go so quickly when she puts them online. So she uses a lot of pastels- pinks and all these kinds of baby blue, yellows and purples and then she adds gemstones on her pieces sometimes. Her work looks very Baroque to me. She does alot of very intricate nerikomi.

I've never seen something like this.

Super unique, right? In nerikomi, you roll out a slab of clay, and then you add different colors and shapes of clay to the slab. Then you roll it out again so they are all one piece. When you look at the final design it could look painted on but it isn’t-it's actually clay pressed in. And then she creates these mugs out of nerikomi slabs. They’re so beautiful. So for me when I saw these, I was like, wow, these are so beautiful, so unique. I love the colors and everything that she makes is extremely well made. Like, so stunning. I'm also really inspired by my ceramic instructor from art school in Langara, Alwyn O'Brien. She makes these crazy ceramic sculptures that are huge, life size, like human size. She rolls like tiny coils of clay and then she makes these giant sculptures with them. They remind me of a messy line drawing. Then she puts crazy glaze over it. And that's extremely hard to do-to make thin pieces of clay into a huge piece and that they don't crack, or break. I was always amazed at how she could do that. It just really inspired me to push myself further and see how far you can push the clay.


I only heard about the Emily Carr art school, never Langara.

Emily Carr is very well known. But Langara is not quite as well known. They have a great fine arts program there. Emily Carr focuses more on concept, the program at Langara is more technical. At Langara, they teach you how to do everything from the beginning.

What is your reflection on your evolution in life?

I've come pretty far from being an insecure teenager who knows nothing about who she is or what she wants from life. I’ve put myself through therapy-which I think everyone can benefit from, and learned how to set boundaries and say no to people. That revelation completely changed my life. That way, now everything that I do is very intentional.
I’ve traveled a lot, tried a lot of different career paths, all of those things led me to something new. And now I’m here and I couldn’t be more grateful that I get to do the thing I love every day.


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